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		<title>By: Patrick Ouachita</title>
		<link>http://www.tammyhartdesigns.com/wordpress/plugins-to-die-for/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Ouachita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say that Tammy has some very valid points about cforms and it is probably the most widely used forms plugin around. I&#039;ve used cforms as well as Contact Form 7 and both have their uses depending on what you need them for. If it&#039;s something more advanced def go with cforms. If it&#039;s more simple Contact Form 7. This is based off of my personal exp using both of these. GF i&#039;ve never checked out at all so I can&#039;t comment on that one. Kudos on a great article Tammy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say that Tammy has some very valid points about cforms and it is probably the most widely used forms plugin around. I&#8217;ve used cforms as well as Contact Form 7 and both have their uses depending on what you need them for. If it&#8217;s something more advanced def go with cforms. If it&#8217;s more simple Contact Form 7. This is based off of my personal exp using both of these. GF i&#8217;ve never checked out at all so I can&#8217;t comment on that one. Kudos on a great article Tammy.</p>
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		<title>By: George Burley</title>
		<link>http://www.tammyhartdesigns.com/wordpress/plugins-to-die-for/#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>George Burley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Scott You can easily deploy a form using Gravity Forms on any post/page you want using shortcode or function calls.  It also logs which page/post the form was submitted on with the submission data.  So yes it does that.

Last I checked cforms can&#039;t create posts from form submissions.  That is one feature that Gravity Forms does and does very well.  You can easily create posts from form submission data, including post images and custom fields.  Perfect for user submitted articles.

The UI for Gravity Forms is also much better.  Cforms is clunky.  Gravity Forms has an intuitive user interface that is consistent with the rest of WordPress so when doing client work it is easier for the client to pick up and learn because the interface is similar to how you manage posts and pages.  There is no comparison between the two when it comes to UI.

Gravity Forms also has easier automatic upgrades.  Despite the fact it isn&#039;t hosted int he repository (like cforms) you can still upgrade automatically like you would with other plugins from the repository.  Cforms doesn&#039;t do this and requires manual upgrades by uploading files, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Scott You can easily deploy a form using Gravity Forms on any post/page you want using shortcode or function calls.  It also logs which page/post the form was submitted on with the submission data.  So yes it does that.</p>
<p>Last I checked cforms can&#8217;t create posts from form submissions.  That is one feature that Gravity Forms does and does very well.  You can easily create posts from form submission data, including post images and custom fields.  Perfect for user submitted articles.</p>
<p>The UI for Gravity Forms is also much better.  Cforms is clunky.  Gravity Forms has an intuitive user interface that is consistent with the rest of WordPress so when doing client work it is easier for the client to pick up and learn because the interface is similar to how you manage posts and pages.  There is no comparison between the two when it comes to UI.</p>
<p>Gravity Forms also has easier automatic upgrades.  Despite the fact it isn&#8217;t hosted int he repository (like cforms) you can still upgrade automatically like you would with other plugins from the repository.  Cforms doesn&#8217;t do this and requires manual upgrades by uploading files, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.tammyhartdesigns.com/wordpress/plugins-to-die-for/#comment-215</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing I really enjoy about cforms is the ease with which I can deploy the same form across a number of product pages and I&#039;ll know exactly which page it came from. Contact form 7 couldn&#039;t do that (or if it can the number of questions requesting it that are going unanswered are astonishing) .

Unfortunately got GF, as I see it, is that right now they are not demonstrating the capability to do anything that can&#039;t be done by cforms. I can&#039;t speak for support because I&#039;ve installed cforms on 20 sites and never needed to ask a support question - the interface is easy and just works.
GF probably just needs more folks out in the marketplace using it in ways that will showcase the capabilities it has that free versions don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing I really enjoy about cforms is the ease with which I can deploy the same form across a number of product pages and I&#8217;ll know exactly which page it came from. Contact form 7 couldn&#8217;t do that (or if it can the number of questions requesting it that are going unanswered are astonishing) .</p>
<p>Unfortunately got GF, as I see it, is that right now they are not demonstrating the capability to do anything that can&#8217;t be done by cforms. I can&#8217;t speak for support because I&#8217;ve installed cforms on 20 sites and never needed to ask a support question &#8211; the interface is easy and just works.<br />
GF probably just needs more folks out in the marketplace using it in ways that will showcase the capabilities it has that free versions don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: George Burley</title>
		<link>http://www.tammyhartdesigns.com/wordpress/plugins-to-die-for/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>George Burley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sad to see Matt pushing his own agenda once again.  He has a habit of doing that just because he has a beef with the developer and how they do business, or how they license things.

Matt doesn&#039;t understand that users don&#039;t really care about licensing, etc.  They don&#039;t care if a plugin is GPL or not.  What they care about is FEATURES, SUPPORT and STABILITY.

I&#039;m not going to use an inferior plugin just because Matt likes it.

Good for you for sticking to your guns and using cforms instead of Contact Form 7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to see Matt pushing his own agenda once again.  He has a habit of doing that just because he has a beef with the developer and how they do business, or how they license things.</p>
<p>Matt doesn&#8217;t understand that users don&#8217;t really care about licensing, etc.  They don&#8217;t care if a plugin is GPL or not.  What they care about is FEATURES, SUPPORT and STABILITY.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to use an inferior plugin just because Matt likes it.</p>
<p>Good for you for sticking to your guns and using cforms instead of Contact Form 7.</p>
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		<title>By: tammyhart</title>
		<link>http://www.tammyhartdesigns.com/wordpress/plugins-to-die-for/#comment-213</link>
		<dc:creator>tammyhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I mean by underdog is that they are contested a LOT. Even Matt Mullenweg himself asked me to stop using cforms. He told me to use Contact Forms 7, which doesn&#039;t compare by any stretch of the imagination.

I appreciate your advice, but when it comes to a client that just wants to receive an email message from his site, cforms does that, and it&#039;s one less thing they have to pay for. For the more complex things, I might consider GF the next time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I mean by underdog is that they are contested a LOT. Even Matt Mullenweg himself asked me to stop using cforms. He told me to use Contact Forms 7, which doesn&#8217;t compare by any stretch of the imagination.</p>
<p>I appreciate your advice, but when it comes to a client that just wants to receive an email message from his site, cforms does that, and it&#8217;s one less thing they have to pay for. For the more complex things, I might consider GF the next time around.</p>
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		<title>By: George Burley</title>
		<link>http://www.tammyhartdesigns.com/wordpress/plugins-to-die-for/#comment-212</link>
		<dc:creator>George Burley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to know Oliver provides good support.  He seems like a nice guy.  I just know that he&#039;s mentioned several times that he isn&#039;t really a programmer and was taken by surprise at the success of cforms.

So for me, i&#039;d rather put my trust in a company that has more of a roadmap and a vision for where things are going and who I am confident will still be around down the road.  Because if you are using these plugins for client work, you better be sure the support will be available because the client is going to be looking at you for help... they aren&#039;t going to care that the guy who made the plugin isn&#039;t available anymore.

Underdog? LOL cforms isn&#039;t the underdog.  cforms is at version 11? With probably hundreds of thousands of downloads?  cforms is the top dog, not the underdog.

One thing to keep in mind is Gravity Forms is at version 1.1 so they are just getting started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to know Oliver provides good support.  He seems like a nice guy.  I just know that he&#8217;s mentioned several times that he isn&#8217;t really a programmer and was taken by surprise at the success of cforms.</p>
<p>So for me, i&#8217;d rather put my trust in a company that has more of a roadmap and a vision for where things are going and who I am confident will still be around down the road.  Because if you are using these plugins for client work, you better be sure the support will be available because the client is going to be looking at you for help&#8230; they aren&#8217;t going to care that the guy who made the plugin isn&#8217;t available anymore.</p>
<p>Underdog? LOL cforms isn&#8217;t the underdog.  cforms is at version 11? With probably hundreds of thousands of downloads?  cforms is the top dog, not the underdog.</p>
<p>One thing to keep in mind is Gravity Forms is at version 1.1 so they are just getting started.</p>
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		<title>By: tammyhart</title>
		<link>http://www.tammyhartdesigns.com/wordpress/plugins-to-die-for/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>tammyhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no doubt that Gravity Forms is a great tool, and ppl should definitely be using it, I just haven&#039;t had a chance to write in the cost to any of my projects yet. I&#039;m glad to hear that it does a lot of what I need. Alternative actions are a big one for me, though.

As far as being in touch with the developer, Oliver and I email often. In fact, he&#039;s even agreed to do some custom work for me for a client, that is presently flaked out. He is just a one man show, but he&#039;s honest about that. Generally, if I need some new cool functionality, his answer is &quot;You can already do that...&quot; and then he shows me how. The community isn&#039;t eally one, most of the time it&#039;s ppl whining about their problems, and Oliver showing them which other forum topic to go to for help, or helping them directly. He&#039;s never not answered me, not sure about other experiences.

I also have a propensity for rooting for the underdog. In the case, it&#039;s a win win, because I love what cforms does for me, and that it does it for free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that Gravity Forms is a great tool, and ppl should definitely be using it, I just haven&#8217;t had a chance to write in the cost to any of my projects yet. I&#8217;m glad to hear that it does a lot of what I need. Alternative actions are a big one for me, though.</p>
<p>As far as being in touch with the developer, Oliver and I email often. In fact, he&#8217;s even agreed to do some custom work for me for a client, that is presently flaked out. He is just a one man show, but he&#8217;s honest about that. Generally, if I need some new cool functionality, his answer is &#8220;You can already do that&#8230;&#8221; and then he shows me how. The community isn&#8217;t eally one, most of the time it&#8217;s ppl whining about their problems, and Oliver showing them which other forum topic to go to for help, or helping them directly. He&#8217;s never not answered me, not sure about other experiences.</p>
<p>I also have a propensity for rooting for the underdog. In the case, it&#8217;s a win win, because I love what cforms does for me, and that it does it for free.</p>
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		<title>By: George Burley</title>
		<link>http://www.tammyhartdesigns.com/wordpress/plugins-to-die-for/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>George Burley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 14:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tammy Sorry for the delay in responding.  Here is what I know about Gravity Forms and your questions about features...

Yes Gravity Forms Does This...


pre-submit info from one form on one page to a new form on a new page
use a text link like </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tammy Sorry for the delay in responding.  Here is what I know about Gravity Forms and your questions about features&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes Gravity Forms Does This&#8230;</p>
<p>pre-submit info from one form on one page to a new form on a new page<br />
use a text link like</p>
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		<title>By: WordCamp Birmingham: Went There, Did That, Got the T-Shirt! &#187; Tammy Hart Designs</title>
		<link>http://www.tammyhartdesigns.com/wordpress/plugins-to-die-for/#comment-209</link>
		<dc:creator>WordCamp Birmingham: Went There, Did That, Got the T-Shirt! &#187; Tammy Hart Designs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 5  Making the Move and Asking for Help by Jerri Ann Reason Plugins to Die For by Tammy [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 5  Making the Move and Asking for Help by Jerri Ann Reason Plugins to Die For by Tammy [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.tammyhartdesigns.com/wordpress/plugins-to-die-for/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 00:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ George Burley

Actually you raise an interesting point although I tend to agree with Tammy that their demo is lacking and quite frankly seems to be not as powerful as cforms based on the features they present.

Since you have the knowledge of GF, can you let us know what GF has that cforms doesn&#039;t? I&#039;d really be interested to know more about it from someone who has experience using it in a business environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ George Burley</p>
<p>Actually you raise an interesting point although I tend to agree with Tammy that their demo is lacking and quite frankly seems to be not as powerful as cforms based on the features they present.</p>
<p>Since you have the knowledge of GF, can you let us know what GF has that cforms doesn&#8217;t? I&#8217;d really be interested to know more about it from someone who has experience using it in a business environment.</p>
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